2.5.a

Sun Nov 3 13:00:01 EST 2002

Copying and pasting styled text is now possible - yay.

However umlauts and accents are converted to HTML
format (e.g. &eacute;)

This was not the case in 2.4.6 - so I presume it is an
oversight.

The variable watcher does not seem to work, though I
have only briefly tested it using both local and
global variables neither of which seem to register (I
may be doing something wrong?)

In 2.4.6 the script editor included a summary of
commands - this is not the case in 2.5 - I presume
that is intentional, and I will not miss the summary
of commands (I never used them) but beginners may - I
presume this is not an oversight but was intentional.

Otherwise it looks good - does not crash and the MW
seems to work just fine. Good job!

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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:14:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: eric engle <engleerica at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: metacard digest, Vol 1 #382 - 8 msgs
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> Where can I download a copy of MetaCard 2.5ß ?
> 
> I have written two articles on law and computing
> which
> will be published (online and offline) and which
> will
> use 2 metaCard stacks. I am happy to include a
> "Credits" card for metacard - does MC have anything
> particular that they want said? (Besides "thanks for
> this awesome tool) I'm happy to write something
> myself
> but also happy to put whatever MC wants.
> 
> Best wishes, hopefully this will only be the start
> of
> MetaCard as an academic computing tool.
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> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:29:57 +0100
> Subject: Re: metacard digest, Vol 1 #382 - 8 msgs
> From: Klaus Major <k_major at os.surf2000.de>
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> Hi Eric,
> 
> > Where can I download a copy of MetaCard 2.5ï¬‚ ?
> 
> check this URL:
> 
> ftp://ftp.metacard.com/MetaCard/2.5/
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> 
> Havbe a nice weekend.
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> Regards
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> Klaus Major
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:38:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Alain Farmer <alain_farmer at yahoo.com>
> Subject: New on this list but not a newbie
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> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am new on this list but, judging by the glance I
> took at the archives of this mailing list, I'm going
> to feel right at home. I noticed, for instance, that
> my three buddies from "OPN" are very active on this
> list ; specifically Xavier Bury, David Bovill and
> Monte Goulding. What's shaking guys? What became of
> our MetaCard-based Jabber client? This is not just
> an
> off-hand question, BTW, because the lab I work for
> is
> desperately seeking a Web-based chat whose content
> is
> XML and, thereby, interoperable with other Web-based
> clients for other communication means, forming a
> cohesive whole where all the different components of
> a
> complete groupware solution interoperate seamlessly.
> All the better if this solution can also
> interoperate
> with other existing chats like Jabber does. You were
> dead-on, David, about the relevance of Jabber.
> 
> Things in the lab I work for are at a turning-point
> right now. One of our objectives is to create a
> communication, collaboration and E-learning platform
> where the components can be mixed-and-matched at
> will,
> forming whole systems ( value-added solutions )
> whose
> components interoperate seemlessly. This objective
> is
> not the issue though. Nor is open-source versus
> closed-source the issue because we have definitely
> opted for OPEN source, adherence to as many open
> standards as possible, and multi-platform
> deployment.
> The turning-point I alluded to has to do with *HOW*
> we
> should go about achieving it. To make it
> multi-platform, many of my colleagues are arguing
> that
> we should make it entirely web-based. You know the
> drill : PHP, mySQL, and that sort of thing.
> Technologies that are indeed very mainstream these
> days among web developers. And most of them are
> open-source and free of charge. There is no denying
> that this is a "safe" and "rational" approach, but
> genuine breakthru innovation requires more than
> this.
> I have been doing this web stuff for about 7 years
> now, and I've tried countless pure-Web solutions,
> and
> still none of the Web stuff compares to the
> interactivity and performance that can be achieved
> with *real* software. Particularly software like
> MetaCard which is as multi-platform as any existing
> web-browser; for playback (like the Web) as well as
> authoring (unlike the Web); client-side as well as
> server-side (just like Java but incomparably
> simpler).
> Web pages, even with JavaScript in them, are
> severely
> limited in terms of client-side interactivity. You
> cannot easily allow the users to move things around,
> do drag-and-drop stuff, and so on. I could go
> on-and-on about the downsides of the Web versus
> MetaCard's upsides, but I don't want to turn this
> post
> into an essay. Besides it's a moot issue because
> MetaCard is web-savvy, e.g. it can do anything that
> a
> web-browser can in terms of accessing the Internet.
> The only web thing that MetaCard cannot do as well
> as
> web-browsers can is to render HTML (which I
> suggested
> to Scott many months ago, but he rejected this
> feature-request). The Java-based version of
> FreeCard,
> OTOH, will be able to do this when it's released, in
> which case what the Web offers becomes a subset of
> what our xCard can offer. On the development side of
> things, a scripted xCard is easier for most
> non-professionals to build on their own than all of
> the Web stuff based on PHP, let alone programming
> something multi-platform with a traditional
> programming language and development environment.
> Scripting with an xTalk instead of JavaScript or
> VBscript and/or one or more server-side languages.
> Precise WYSIWYG placement instead of the approximate
> layout suggested by a markup language. And so much
> more.
> 
> The point of all of this is that I am trying to
> convince the lab I work for to opt for an xCard
> approach (breakthru) instead of the web-only
> approach
> (conformity & mediocrity) that so many are resorting
> to now. My presentations on this issue have had a
> definite impact on my colleagues, but they are still
> hesitating a bit because not-conforming to what
> everyone is doing is perceived as risky. I believe
> that providing them with a MC-based Jabber-client
> that
> 
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