Say it ain't so regarding "Save" command!

[Mark Greenberg]

On Monday, August 1, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Sterling Beckwith wrote:

> Teachers struggling to master the intricacies of a "powerful" app-
> builder in order to create finished, stand-alone programs for
> students to USE.  Isn't that notion of computer-based learning rather
> a far cry from giving kids the tools to build and modify their OWN
> collection of self-made programs?  I can't remember having to worry
> about substacks or databases in the old LOGO days.  Are you so sure
> the promise of programming in Runrev is really progress, rather than
> just another way to add to the burden of teachers but avoid involving
> and empowering the learners?

Sterling,
	The kids I teach are 16-19 years old.  I have successfully taught them 
to build aps in LOGO, HyperTalk (HyperCard's language), Visual Basic, 
and HyperLogo (HyperStudio's language).  Their aps rivaled anything 
that I make in Rev, and I plan to teach kids Rev soon.  Maybe you were 
thinking of younger kids, but Rev should be perfectly suitable for the 
ones I teach.
	As far as the saving issue, I admit that it threw me for a loop 
because I am used to programs that save their own data.  In fact, 
HyperCard saved automatically whenever there was a change.  I was 
forced to make a Rev stack that saved data about six months ago, and it 
didn't really turn out to be that difficult.  I used the substack 
method, but I think that saving the data as custom properties would 
have been better.  Yes, this is an added obstacle to some students 
using Rev, but one that is easily overcome, in my opinion and for my 
students.

		Mark Greenberg